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lior_m
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Re: Navisphere ATF for Aix4.3 ( yes, aix 4.3..)
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Reply #8 on:
November 19, 2007, 09:00:38 PM »
Thank you guys,
I found an old mksysb tape ( DDS4 ) in good shape.. and I was able to restore it on my old machine
This Image is an exact backup of the system that we sent to the customer 5 years ago so I guess I can reproduce now or at least start working on reproducing the costumer problem.
Thank you all..
Lior
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John Peck
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Re: Navisphere ATF for Aix4.3 ( yes, aix 4.3..)
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November 18, 2007, 10:51:44 PM »
'bffcreate' "unpacks" purely in the sense of doing a 'restore' from the 'backup' image on the original media, before creating a new 'backup' image on the disk of the selected component and running 'inutoc' - in effect a copy process, nothing particularly advanced.
The purpose for that is to keep a copy on disk of some software that you might need with more ease than having to load installation media, in an environment where you may need to install from it repeatedly - otherwise you would use the original source media. Such as on a NIM server, or one of those tricky little new partition suckers where you have one DVD drive and want the software around for a partition with no access to the DVD drive say.
The Bull (or IBM) tools to create LPP packages out of your own files, in bff format, are intended for software developers to prepare their wares for an IBM style installation by the ultimate buyers of it.
In the case of this question, correct me if I have misunderstood, we have a known list of files from a previously installed system (lslpp -f) but no access to the original source installation media, and no way to determine what was done in addition to restoring those files by way of set up by the installation process at the time.
The question then was how to similarly install another system for testing purposes - and we'll leave aside any licensing issues there may be in this approach generally.
An answer is for example:
lslpp -f what.ever | grep '^ */' | awk '{print $1}' | backup -iqvf /tmp/whatever
Then restore that on the other system - bearing in mind that you are restoring perhaps configuration files which are not then being merged in to your target system, are replacing and possibly messing up your target system if this LPP has anything to do with AIX per se. Obviously this does not update the ODM to reflect that you have installed something, there would be no assistance therefore in de-installing it from AIX, beyond removing the individual files.
Which is where a change control tool is again a good idea, like that we use on these servers - see what changed, put it back, make the required changes in a more appropriate manner, log the new config for later.
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Michael
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Re: Navisphere ATF for Aix4.3 ( yes, aix 4.3..)
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November 18, 2007, 08:36:26 PM »
I was probably not very clear. the bffcreate comand 'unpacks' an installp format package (also in .bff backup file format) layout.
A search on google for the AIX commands took me to a very cryptic IBM Director page. For the short term I reconnend the BULL tool:
AIX 4.3.3 mklpp tool (http://www.bullfreeware.com/download/aix43/bull.mklpp-1.2.9.0.exe)
AIX 5.X mklpp tool (http://www.bullfreeware.com/download/aix43/bull.mklpp-1.2.9.0.exe)
Hint: Binary compatibility - both links point at the same file - but I only knew that after I had made the links!
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John Peck
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Re: Navisphere ATF for Aix4.3 ( yes, aix 4.3..)
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November 18, 2007, 06:10:58 PM »
The bffcreate command does nothing more than copy a chosen backup format file from installation media (i.e. original software CDs or DVDs) to disk and then run the inutoc to update/create the .toc for it. So unless you have the original install image of your package (in which case you wouldn't need to be doing this) you can't use that.
From the lslpp -f list you have from the old installed system, you can create your own backup format file there, in the sense of using the backup command and making a backup of the chosen files:
cat list | backup -iqvf /tmp/mybff_file
That's not of course in the format for using installp, just a simple backup to be able to restore those files from on your chosen system.
Working with installp and the bff format to create your own installation images is a complete waste of time unless you are distributing software - which obviously you are not - and where you need to check on pre-requisites, update levels, etc. That's what the Bull tools would do, but you don't need to.
Now in addition to just restoring the files that make up the package on your target system, there may of course be other set up requirements, maybe scripts to run etc. So that may not be the complete solution, and unless you have the original install image to check it, there's no realistic way you're going to work that out now. So good luck with that one.
In the future, before installing something, it is helpful to have a change control tool on the target system. A tool that monitors the configuration of the system and can report to you what has changed after you have installed something.
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lior_m
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Re: Navisphere ATF for Aix4.3 ( yes, aix 4.3..)
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November 18, 2007, 03:41:59 PM »
Quote from: Michael on November 18, 2007, 02:59:38 PM
In later versions of AIX there is a fileset for creating bff filesets, but you might find it simplier to use the tool that has been on the Bull Freeware site for years.
The name of your package may change with the BULL tool, but at least you will have a package.
Also, you could choose to not make a package at all, but just a bff and unpack it on the target system. The installp format is for verifying requisites (which the BULL tool will not help with if I remember correctly) and creating inventory entries to simplify removing a package (uninstall).
Many choices - all yours to make.
gl - keep us posted!
Hi Michael ,
Didn't get the BULL tool yet so I tried the bffcreate command.
Here is what I did so far..
I created a mksyb tape from a machine that has been installed with the package that I need to restore. ( atf.obj )
I run "bffcreate -qv -d /dev/rmt0.1 -X atf.obj"
While the mksysb tape was inside drive 0.1.
I got a message telling me that this is not an image device.
Tried "bffcreate -qv -d /dev/rmt0.1 -X all" and got the same message.
This command suppose to extracts all the images on the tape to /usr/sys/inst.images.
So I probably don't understand the term "image device" and doing something wrong.
Can you pls pour some more light on this subject ?
Thanks in advance,
Lior
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Michael
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Re: Navisphere ATF for Aix4.3 ( yes, aix 4.3..)
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November 18, 2007, 02:59:38 PM »
In later versions of AIX there is a fileset for creating bff filesets, but you might find it simplier to use the tool that has been on the Bull Freeware site for years.
The name of your package may change with the BULL tool, but at least you will have a package.
Also, you could choose to not make a package at all, but just a bff and unpack it on the target system. The installp format is for verifying requisites (which the BULL tool will not help with if I remember correctly) and creating inventory entries to simplify removing a package (uninstall).
Many choices - all yours to make.
gl - keep us posted!
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lior_m
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Re: Navisphere ATF for Aix4.3 ( yes, aix 4.3..)
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November 18, 2007, 10:48:54 AM »
Quote from: Michael on November 17, 2007, 03:55:28 PM
If you can find a system that has it installed, AND it is an installp installation (which are in bff file format) lslpp -f fileset.name will list the files (and links) in the installation.
This might be one way to reconstruct what you need.
Good luck!
Hi,
Thanks for replying.
I'm working on the createbff at this moment but I'm still having some problems.
Can you point me to the right way to do this ?
I already created the list of files from the output of the "lslpp -f atf.obj"
Thanks,
Lior
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Michael
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Re: Navisphere ATF for Aix4.3 ( yes, aix 4.3..)
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November 17, 2007, 03:55:28 PM »
If you can find a system that has it installed, AND it is an installp installation (which are in bff file format) lslpp -f fileset.name will list the files (and links) in the installation.
This might be one way to reconstruct what you need.
Good luck!
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lior_m
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Navisphere ATF for Aix4.3 ( yes, aix 4.3..)
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November 16, 2007, 03:21:46 PM »
Hi,
We have an old application delivered a couple of years ago to a customer. This application is running on Aix4.3.
Last week I was requested to reproduce in our lab a problem our customer encountered of.
To do this I need to install an ATF (also known as "Application Transparent Failover" ) since the database resides on an old Clariion FC5300 storage machine.
Emc couldn't help me since this Clariion machine was withdrawn from market a couple years ago.
Can someone please send me ( if by any chance you used it once ) the bff's for the installation of the ATF software on Aix4.3 ?
Thanks in advance
Lior M
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